Jesus is God

BACKGROUND:

If we were living two thousand years ago, and Jesus walked into the room;

and sat down; and we spoke to him; and he spoke back... WE WOULD BE TALKING TO GOD.

This most intimate and important subject is discussed in these studies.

And the errors of the 'Early Church Fathers' are demonstrated.

Ultimately we must agree that:

Jesus Christ is God, manifest in the flesh, according to the scriptures.

For Trinitarians,

please read the contents of the drop-down section in this box, before reading the studies in the drop-down sections below this box.

Is Jesus GOD manifest in the flesh, or is he part of a Trinity of Persons unknown to the Apostles and Prophets? Or is he simply both?

This is an important question.

It goes to the heart of how we decide with whom to have fellowship.

Please read this long answer very carefully.

I am a Christian because of my God-given faith in my Lord and my God, whose name is Jesus Christ.

Being a Trinitarian (or not) is never a test for fellowship in scripture. Therefore, those who use it as a test are using a non-scriptural idea to measure their own brethren.

Here are the facts that can easily be confirmed by your own study:

A man called Tertullian (born 160 AD) persuaded the fledgling Roman Catholic organisation to accept the idea of a Trinity. You will notice that when the Trinity was first invented (read 447 Against Tertullian) the early Christians were STARTLED to hear the idea. Yes, STARTLED! And it was Tertullian himself who said so.

This point cannot be overstated. Tertullian himself admitted that his ideas startled the majority of Christians. That is what he said himself. Please read his words yourself, and think about the serious implications of that fact. If you were living just after the Apostles, and a man spoke about the Godhead in a way that startled you, and startled all the Christians you know, how should you react? You had not heard of such a thing from those who knew the men who knew the Apostles. [Remember, there was only just over 100 years from the last Apostle (John) to when Tertullian penned his invention. That is, from 99 AD - 213 AD., being 114 years.]

Now if Peter, Paul, and James and John had never heard of a Trinity (and they hadn't) then how is it that belief in a Trinity is counted as grounds for disfellowship by some?

The fact that most denominations follow the Roman Catholic Church regarding the Trinity, and how we should meet, is simply a shame upon them.

My faith is that God was manifest in the flesh, as the man Jesus Christ. God was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world to himself. That is never in dispute amongst Christians. But how he did that; how God was manifest in the flesh, has been disputed since Tertullian. My view is that we need to look to Christ for the answer, and not add Persons to the Godhead as did Tertullian. And Tertullian was followed by Romanism, and then by the Orthodox organisations, and finally by the Denominations.

Thank God it is not necessary for us to accept Roman Catholic teaching. There is a more excellent way.

Please read the various studies regarding the deity of Christ, who is our Lord and our God. And I accept every man who confesses that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Saviour, whether that man is a Trinitarian or not.

Trinitarians, however, do not always accept me as their brother. I trust that you will judge for yourself as you read the various studies, whether, or not, I have the Spirit of God, and therefore whether, or not, I am your brother in Christ Jesus. Judge for yourself if you can be a Christian without being a Trinitarian.

Harry.

Also, you might give thought to this:

There are Christian Trinitarians, and non-Christian Trinitarians. That is, there are Christians, and there are religious members of Romanism and Orthodoxy. There may even be non-Christians attending a local denomination who also confess that God is a Trinity. So how is it that no man can say Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost? (1Cor 12:3) Do we say that non-Christians are speaking by the Holy Ghost? Or is there a serious and widespread error in our general understanding about God? Are we obeying scripture; or are we inheriting error from Tertullian, Romanism, Orthodoxy and the Denominations?

Finally,

Non-Christians never say what I believe, nor what those with whom I have fellowship believe.

And that fits with the scriptural saying: no man can say Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost.

And the good news is that later in his life Tertullian joined a group that believed just as we do now. Praise God.

May the Lord bless you in your studies.